Polls are demographically skewed. No longer are we in the days when all households have land-lines. And do you know who has abandoned land-lines…younger generations. We have given them up for cell phones, which are not in the phonebook and pollsters do not reach them.

Furthermore, this type of topic is still stigmatized in America. It’s similar to asking a closet homosexual if they are gay. They will say no, when they are in reality a homosexual. Once in the private voting booth, we might see much higher numbers.

It’s always interesting that polls being conducted are purhcased by groups and not done purely for public interest. It’s like big oil backed think-tanks that manage to suggest global warming is not occuring, while their equally credentialed liberal counter-parts manage to find overwhelming support for impending doom based on global warming. And in that case, we should all have a joint!

Polls are demographically skewed. No longer are we in the days when all households have land-lines. And do you know who has abandoned land-lines…younger generations. We have given them up for cell phones, which are not in the phonebook and pollsters do not reach them.

Furthermore, this type of topic is still stigmatized in America. It’s similar to asking a closet homosexual if they are gay. They will say no, when they are in reality a homosexual. Once in the private voting booth, we might see much higher numbers.

It’s always interesting that polls being conducted are purhcased by groups and not done purely for public interest. It’s like big oil backed think-tanks that manage to suggest global warming is not occuring, while their equally credentialed liberal counter-parts manage to find overwhelming support for impending doom based on global warming. And in that case, we should all have a joint!

Listen here people marijuana is being treated in a way that it shouldnt be. Have you looked through MSN latlty thier is a study on how alchohol is more dangerous than herion!!! So what should we really be voting on? We as amaricans need to get off our asses and look into thing’s.Marijuana is not lethal by anymeans. Plus thier are myths out there that a lot of people against weed believe in, like how “Marijuana can cause permanent mental illness” that my friend is lie, there is no convincing evidence that scientist can prove to show that marijuana will permanently damage the brain of an adult or teenager. However marijuana may cause some people to “trip’ or have a physiological breakdown, this rarely occurs and is temporary. Part of the reason this sense of panic happens is because of the fact it is illegal to have or to smoke marijuana and it’s the fact you can get a ticket or in some states go to jail for possession and use of marijuana that give people a sense of panic or paranoia. I don’t know if Prop 19 will pass and frankly it dont effect me yet cuase im out of wyoming but i will smoke reguardless to weather it passes or not.

What’s a land-line phone? lol j/k. I use the celly!! VOTE YES ON 19!!

Sure would like to see the poll data and the manner in which the data was being collected.. during what time of day… at what location..

Polls are fun to get a very rough estimate on a matter of public interest but this matter has been seemingly closely divided. This recent poll “indicates” nothing. i could go outside and poll 10 people about the issue and say my poll indicates that it will pass. Or maybe I should grab some sand with my hand and sprinkle it in the wind and say it indicated that the measure will fail. You can’t estimate an issue that requires an electron microscope with a magnifying glass.

What it really boils down to is whether people go out and vote or not — not whether a poll indicates that people will vote no. We all know what people will do behind closed doors vs. what they will say being pinned on the public spot. I am pretty sure with such a taboo topic that people will not answer honestly when polled.

It is also not interesting to note that the governor of California, whom represents the government and has a lot to lose by making greedy old men angry, would openly support this measure.

Vote “YES” and get your friends and family out to Vote “YES” as well, if you can.

You got to drag as many people as you know that would vote “YES” out to the booth. Use physical force to drag them out if you have to

I’d say half the politicians –including the terminator– and sheriffs will vote for it in the booth

Maybe traffic cartel are investing money to block prop. 19….there is million of dollars at risk…isn’t right?.
If they can control a whole country…how hard is california?

It’s funny the media is supposed to be impartial when reporting on controversial issues but everywhere I look there are reports and interviews with individuals who believe this bill will not pass or “this is not an economically sound idea” etc. It would be great if one of the big networks could get a proper debate going on this issue with some expert testimony from some academics who actually know what they are talking about. This topic has been fueled way too much by scare mongering from political activist groups who have been completely misinformed or government officials who want to maintain the status quo. The real fact of this matter is law enforcement is big business. Think of the amount of drug money that is seized and put back into public funding and programs. Much of state and federal law enforcement spend most of their time tracking organized crime groups and busting grow ops specifically for this reason. If jobs were created by legalizing cannabis there would definitely be jobs lost from law enforcement as well. This is an unfortunate situation but companies are dissolved and workers laid off everyday and prohibition should not be a reason to continue to criminally convict individuals for something that is personally affecting themselves good or bad.

I would love to hear your comments on my blog at:

http://www.sinsemillabible.blogspot.com

TYPICAL stoner response…..”it’s not my fault…I’m a victim!!” Stoners blame the “system”, blame skewed polls, blame a conspiracy, blame their parents, and probably even blame GOD…..but never blame themselves. A HUGE side effect of marajuana use is LOSING YOUR AMBITION and settling for any kind of excuse to not obligate yourself into doing anything difficult. When we get high we wanna “chill”…take it easy….take a nap…eat….Getting high means low-wage jobs and just existing to eat, sleep, and make poop and pee………

UHHHH George Washington smoked, Steve Jobs from Apple smokes…I m 30 fulltime student 3.90 GPA with full time job on top of that and I smoke.. I dont think losing your Ambition is a good excuse…Lets see my cousin who is a doctor smokes aswell.. Smoking a joint for some peple is like drinking a fine glass of wine my friend.. If your going to be a bum then your going to be a bum not because of Mary Jane… leave her out of this.. As a matter of fact the Decleration of Independence was wrote on paper made from..YOU Guessed it Mary Jane..

We need to wash those dirty little prohibitionist stains off OUR (anti-prohibitionists) American Flag!!! Bunch of scum bucket prohibitionists who put our country in the financial pits it’s in now should be sent to homophobic Texas to live out the remaining last 10 to 15 years of their pathetic bottom feeding lives.

You are right about alcohol being more dangerous than herion. Can you imagine how dangerous marijuana will be if it is legalized? Combine that with alcohol and we get total chaos.

You mean like how the sky fell in the Netherlands? LOL!

Americans are going to be stoned and dumber than ever!!!!!!!1

BEFORE YOU VOTE, PLEASE READ THE PROPOSITION; IT READS …IT WILL BE LEFT UP TO THE LOCAL CITIES AND COUNTIES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL ALLOW IT. THEY DO NOT ALLOW MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES NOW, WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK THAT THEY WILL ALLOW IT IN THEIR CITIES AND COUNTIES? IF YOU ARE A GROWER, FORGET PROVIDING FOR YOUR FAMILY, YOU WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO GROW IN A 5X5 AREA AND GOD FORBID IF YOU HAVE KIDS THAT MIGHT BE NEAR IT, YOU WILL GO TO PRISON!!!!! IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN AMMEND IT AT ANY TIME WITHOUT A VOTE! THAT IS QUITE A LOOP HOLE, WOULDN’T YOU SAY? PLEASE VOTE NO AND PROTECT OUR RIGHTS, WE CAN NOT LET IT BECOME COMMERCIALIZED OR NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO EVEN GROW FOR THEIR PERSONAL MEDICINE. THIS IS THE MOST DECRIMINALIZED IT HAS EVER BEEN IN HISTORY, NOW, DONT PUT IT BACK TO THE MOST CRIMINALIZED IT HAS EVER BEEN!!! VOTE NO~PLEASE PROTECT PATIENTS RIGHTS TO SAFE ACCESS TO THEIR MEDICINE… PLEASE

Yes on prop 19.
First the debate on the price for medical MJ users: The demand will not go up dramatically but only marginally; the people who want to use pot will find a way and the people who wanted to try it but were afraid of the legal aspects will give it a try and decide for themselves if its for them or not. The people who try it for the first time is the marginal increase. Now if you consider the supply going up due to new businesses/homegrown you now have a recipe for prices going down. When supply is higher than demand the price goes down, economics 101.

The idea that the federal government will step in is absurd, if you think the DEA or the CIA is going to go around rounding up pot dealers/users to put them into the federal court system (which is dwarfed by the huge local court circuit) is absurd. You would have literal federal court gridlock, not to mention to endless repeals based on state law, landing every prosecuted pothead in the supreme court. This would cost the federal government a lot of money, hiring new judges and building new courthouses is not cheap, and its not like we have a huge surplus of judges or money in this country.

The social/political aspect. The reason why Alcohol and Nicotine are legal is because they are a huge tax base for this country. Also there is the whole prohibition history lesson to be learned, which you should educate yourself on. Alcohol and Nicotine both KILL people every single day in this country. Alcohol in specific is a destructive drug, it wrecks homes through spousal abuse, adultery, poor judgment leading to injury/death (drunk driving, abuse, sexual abuse). Alcohol and Nicotine are also incredibly hard to quit and very easy to relapse. Pot on the other hand can be used to bake with or drank as a tea, which does not ruin your lungs or liver. So we have a naturally growing substance that would create additional tax base, has proven medical purposes, and can be taken in ways that have absolutely zero negative health affects. Finally you have people serving jail time because they were convicted of having a few grams of pot, severing families and ruining lives.

Last, The Drug Cartels/Gangs: My advice is to go educate yourself about the problems with drug cartels in Mexico, massive killings of innocent people and political figures who stand up against the cartels. If you take away their market in California it will cripple their business. Some people say they will simply sell it elsewhere in America. This is true but you have to realize California is much more massively populated than any of the other southwestern states, the market is simply not the same as in California. For the Gangs aspect, a gang is ran like a business, and their main product is drugs, MG is specific. Take away MJ street sales, you take away the turf wars over the selling spots that these gangs fight over. On the subject of gangs, minorities/blacks are targeted over 200% more by local cops for drug searches. Ending the ability to do these searches may actually improve inner-city relations between minorities and cops, promoting cooperation between the two when needed for serious crimes like murder.

If improving the economy, decreasing violence in our country and in our neighbor Mexico’s country, improving the penal system, improving citizen/police relations, and helping to drive down the costs for the people who really need it doesn’t sound like a good thing…. then well you are probably a supported of the Iraq war.

How about the flag that Betsy Ross made? Yep you guessed it again,
MARIJUANA MY FRIEND!! ITS BEEN AROUND FOR CENTURIES, IT IS MEDICINE AND BEEN CUREING AILMENTS FOR LONGER THAN THAT!

Well…. if it doesnt get legalized and you have a medical recommendation… here’s a good spot to check out.

http://mmrcollective.com/

It was made out of Hemp. Not Mary Jane… something you can get high off of. Keep on smoking buddy.

No way!!!! Drug cartels have nothing to worry about. California is going to tax the shit out of marijuana. Prop 19 already adds an extra $50 to each ounce that you buy to go to a drug awareness foundation. Then on top of that $50, you have tax. Prop 19 will add on at least $100 to every ounce. So when you used to be able to get an ounce of decent weed for $300, your now going to be paying more around $400.

On top of that, Prop 19 puts growing weed in the hands of people who are licensed to grow. Those licenses will be in the hands of the Department of Alcohol and Beverage control and be handled similar to a liquor license. So now the number of growers will fall dramatically. With fewer growers come less competition. With less competition the market value will rise as high as these few licensed growers want to set it.

So in the end, if Prop 19 passes, people will still resort to the streets and even medical dispensaries because the prices will be too high. If you grow weed now, like I do, and think its expensive… wait until you have the city up in your grow area inspecting everything, making sure your up to code. So the cost of growing will even increase, let alone the $5,000 permit that you’ll have to buy just to start.

Its a bad idea that wont help anyone.

Yes on Prop 19 anything else is cartel rhetoric.

On your first paragraph…. How will the supply be higher then the demand, when you can on posses 1 ounce, due to Prop 19. You explain to me how people will grow there own and increase supply when they are only allowed to posses no more then 1 ounce without breaking the law?? Either people will abide by the law and stay under the 1 ounce limit, and supply will drop… or people will break the law and grow however much they want, while increasing supply, but also increasing crime and tax payers dollars to eradicate them.

Second paragraph…. The Feds. Of course there not going to go around and arrest every pot smoker they see, their going to set limits, just like they have with medical growers. The rule of thumb as a medical grower that doesnt want to get under the feds radar or harassed by them, is to keep your grow under 99 plants. Its an unwritten law that is known by med growers. They will do the same if its legalized. They will set limits and if you cross them, the Feds WILL come tear your shit apart. It happens all of the time with legit medical dispensaries. What in your wildest imagination would make you think that its absurd to think the feds aren’t going to enforce their laws?? They have, they do and they will continue. There’s not enough meth and crack manufacturers out there to keep the DEA busy. Otherwise they wouldnt have the time to mess with doctor prescribed medical cannabis patients.

Third paragraph….. Possession of under an ounce of marijuana is now punishable by a simple fine of $100. Nothing more. So doing jail time for a few grams is a huge exaggeration, but I agree with you on the rest of this paragraph.

4th paragraph… Prop 19 will not take away from the cartels. There will always be the demand for that every affordable low grade Mexico weed. You can buy an ounce of that for $60 on the streets. Your looking at $300 if its medical grade. So not only is their weed more affordable and still high in demand in lower class neighborhoods, but Prop 19 will increase the already high price of weed and people will continue to get their weed, probably from the same people they are getting it from now.

And finally your last paragraph. Prop 19 will do none of which you listed above. No pot smoker is only going to grow an ounce. He’ll go over the allotted amount that Prop 19 gives you… and He’ll go over that tiny 5×5 foot space to grow that Prop 19 gives. People will sell weed without getting a license… All Prop 19 does is add about 50 pages of rules and penalties. Read the entire bill. Not just the simple short version thats all over the place. Read the whole bill thats almost 60 pages long. You’ll see that this is a disaster waiting to happen if this gets passed.

I use to say the same thing when I first heard about this bill. You are correct… counties dont even allow medical marijuana in their counties, so what makes you think they’ll allow recreational use, if its legalized..??

Well Dyana… I said this same thing at first, but its not true. Look at the small number of medical marijuana patients out there. Its really nothing, the number are low if you look at the overall population per county. If its legalized for recreational use, the people who will be using it will be in the masses and counties will be forced to do something about it. They can blow 2-4 medical marijuana patients off in there board meetings all day long…. but if its legalized, they wont be able to blow that many people off. They’ll have to get off of their asses and do something about it.

Im a grower myself. Most people out there will tell you that us as growers should fear this Prop 19, but really, there’s nothing to fear. If you’ve read the entire prop as I did, you will see all of the limitations and restrictions that are being set up around weed. There are TONS of them. People think they’ll be able to grow their own, but thats false. How can you grow your own, when you can only posses an ounce?? In terms of growing, its impossible. I’ve sat here and put the numbers together. Outdoors, you can only get 1 harvest per year. Now if you could harvest 50 pounds to give you enough till next years harvest.. then you’ll be good. BUT… you can only have 1 ounce. So thats out of the question. The next step is to move your grow indoors. Now you can fill an entire 5×5 area up with plants and produce a few pounds that will last you another 3 months until you can produce more… Oppsss… but nope… you cant do that either, because you can only have 1 ounce. So the last step will be to set up a perpetual garden that produces every month, compared to every 3 months. To set this up, you will need to divide your tiny 5×5 foot space into 2 separate rooms. Which by the way needs to be Light tight, so no light leaks in during your flowering stage. And if its light tight, your going to need ventilation. So 2 separate grow light fixtures, with 2 ballast, ventilation fans and ducting, fertilizer, growing medium and the list goes on. We’ll just say about $1,000 worth of equipment, just to set up this tiny perpetual garden. Who do you think is going to do that?? Nobody!! Their going to go out and buy it. It you buy it for recreational use, you’ll end up paying probably $100 more per ounce then what you would if you got it medically.

So dont worry Dyana… we’re safe here. Im voting no against this, because I dont think there should be all these crazy limitations set on this. I can brew my own beer, and brew enough that I could kill myself with, but I cant sell it legally without a permit. So why is there this ounce cap on weed possession?? To make money. If people could grow all the weed that they wanted….. No one would buy it. I cant plant 20 plants outside in the beginning of summer and 6 months later and maybe about $100 spent in fertilizer, I can have a good 50+ pounds of awesome weed. More then enough to last me the entire year before my next crop is ready.

So Im against it because of this reason. People are for Prop 19 for the wrong reasons. Its just a bunch of pot heads, happy to be able to smoke a joint legally. Thats awesome and all, but what they dont see is all of the restrictions that come along with this Proposition. This proposition is based around making money… Not because pots MUCH safer then cigarettes and alcohol and should be allowed to be enjoyed by whoever choices to smoke it. Its based around money, and the funny thing is that its not even going to make much money. Once people see that they can get medical marijuana for $100 cheaper an ounce… and a medical recommendation only cost $45 bucks, an excuse that you can sleep at night and an hour of their time to go and get it….. People will be busting down the doors for medical marijuana. Plus us as medical growers, grow with love. I didnt start growing because of money. I started growing because I have a passion to grow. I love growing and show my plants and buds off like their my children. You put so much time, attention, care and love into these plants….. no mass production company will ever be able to compare. So not only will we have lower prices that aren’t effected by this Prop 19 crap… but we’ll have the better quality, insect and pesticide free marijuana that all true smokers enjoy.

Weed doesnt make you dumb. This is another myth that was imposed in peoples heads through media.

Weed does effect your short term memory, some times making you forget something that just happened 45 seconds ago. Its this that gives people the impression that weed makes you dumb.

In my opinion, weed can make a person more smart. It gets the hamsters really running up there and the gears start to move rapidly. Its what people do with all of these thoughts that can make a person seem dumb compared to brilliant. I’ve personally taken psychologist approved IQ test first sober and then high, more then 10 times and each time I get higher scores in all categories high, then I did sober. The only results that come out a bit lower are the memory sections of the test.

Imagine that, you anti weed enthusiast. LoL.

You must want high weed prices. I think you should move to New York, if you want to pay higher prices for weed.

VOTE NO ON PROP 19.. !!!

Whats wrong with you people? Prop 19 isnt about legalizing Hemp, its about legalizing the buds… No where in the bill talks about hemp.

Legalizing Hemp production is no where on the ballot.

Where did you get this idea of a $5000 permit? I’ve read the bill and you can have your 25 square foot garden. The only issue I saw is if you are renting a place you have to get the owners permission.

Where did you get those numbers in regards to taxes? I see no exact numbers in the bill. Why wouldn’t supply and demand bring prices down (or even lower) to where they are now?

And I would beg to differ that drug cartels have nothing to worry about. It’s a mix of supply and demand and convenience that will not only drive prices down, but drive people to purchase legally.

Everyone needs to read the prop.

Where did you get this idea of a $5000 permit? I’ve read the bill and you can have your 25 square foot garden. The only issue I saw is if you are renting a place you have to get the owners permission.

Where did you get those numbers in regards to taxes? I see no exact numbers in the bill. Why wouldn’t supply and demand bring prices down (or even lower) to where they are now?

And I would beg to differ that drug cartels have nothing to worry about. It’s a mix of supply and demand and convenience that will not only drive prices down, but drive people to purchase legally.

Everyone needs to read the prop.

Where did you get this idea of a $5000 permit? I’ve read the bill and you can have your 25 square foot garden. The only issue I saw is if you are renting a place you have to get the owners permission.

Where did you get those numbers in regards to taxes? I see no exact numbers in the bill. Why wouldn’t supply and demand bring prices down (or even lower) to where they are now?

And I would beg to differ that drug cartels have nothing to worry about. It’s a mix of supply and demand and convenience that will not only drive prices down, but drive people to purchase legally.

Everyone needs to read the prop.

Really? I smoke everyday, multiple times a day, for that matter. I also maintain a fulltime job helping to run 4 websites selling radiators and such….low-wage? not hardly. Dont speak for me BRO, you sound lame.

4 months ago, we thought Prop 19 is a crazy idea. We just keep our mouth shut.

Today, we tell the world -not here in California. Just go to Colombia.
We just don’t support your drug habit!

how is the price going to go up if you can grow it yourself legally?

THE ONLY THING DANGEROUS ABOUT MARIJUANA IS LEGAL STATUS!!! you are a moron for thinkin it is dangerous. tobacco is way more dangerous than pot will ever be and its legal. smoke pot more than once every decade and you wont get the intense initial “high” that makes most get the giggles and laugh…whats dangerous about laughing? after that its all a spiritual, relaxing experience that needs to be legalized. its more than just something to smoke. how do you think the first surgeons and doctors killed pain before opiates were popular? grinding the roots of marijuana plant into the most potent anesthetic of their time and prescribing hashish of subsequent pain after operations or injuries. Zero health problems can be traced back to marijuana alone. people will abuse anything that is legal or illegal, lets save some of our own hard earned tax payer dollars and leave potheads alone and start going after real criminals. you know why we cant find Bin laden? we’re too busy looking for and catching criminals with pot! think about ALL THE MONEY SPENT ON PROHIBITING ITS USE AND DISTRIBUTION FROM 1937 ON. ADD IT UP AND WE HAVE A STAGGERING AMOUNT OF MONEY WASTED ON FIGHTING A FAILED WAR ON MARIJUANA. IN FACT ITS ALMOST A MIRROR IMAGE OF OUR NATIONAL DEFICIT…COINCEDENCE? I DON’T THINK SO. lee95301 do some actual research about numbers and money and how much marijuana truly is used in this country for smoking, eating, fertilizer, yes marijuana plants replenish the soil perfectly to a useable state once again. farmer could plant corn one season, harvest corn, the soil is shit, right? WRONG grow marijuana where corn was just grown, and presto, useuable soil once again, more efficient at relieving stress than tobacco or alcohol. it is non addictive and it doesn’t make you go crazy. its not a gateway drug either…give people a place to just go buy pot or grow it themselves that would take them out of the drug houses where they are running into other drug dealers that are selling harder drugs. which would you rather have a society that looks the other way when someone is just smoking a joint or should we round up all these “criminals” and put them…where? we don’t have enough land space to build the prisons for said criminals. there is no point in criminalizing a piece of plant matter that can be dried and USED IN ITS NATURAL STATE. it can ALWAYS be grown.

Very well said! I love to see people with a brain commenting with facts and the reality of this proposition. alcohol and tobacco, both highly addictive and can be fatal and both legal. pot non addictive, never proven fatal, and remains illegal…why? will it cut too far into tobacco, alcohol, papermaking, dupont and big oil’s profits?

yeah, but the more populated parts of california is also full of predominantly black or mexican gang related people that have no interest in finishin school to begin with, just get in good with the gang, there is your drop out rate. and being stoned doesn’t make you dumb, its a mindset. you can smoke it to gain energy, like a cup of coffee, just think when im done smoking this i have to get this done, if you want to relax after work, smoke a joint, not a cigarette or drink a beer, cant get to sleep, smoke, feel queasy, smoke, got a headache, smoke.

yeah, but the more populated parts of california is also full of predominantly black or mexican gang related people that have no interest in finishin school to begin with, just get in good with the gang, there is your drop out rate. and being stoned doesn’t make you dumb, its a mindset. you can smoke it to gain energy, like a cup of coffee, just think when im done smoking this i have to get this done, if you want to relax after work, smoke a joint, not a cigarette or drink a beer, cant get to sleep, smoke, feel queasy, smoke, got a headache, smoke.

this is not a disaster waiting to happen. it the first step in weeding, no pun intended, out all the red tape and bullshit that goes along with new laws and new substances being legal. look at how far medical marijuana has come. it was chaos at first too. and the prop isn’t saying that 5×5 space has to only contain one ounce, its one ounce of useable marijuana. so that means that what ever marijuana your 5×5 space yeilds, you can only possess one ounce in public, they are not going after you in your home unless a thermal image from the sky shows you have WAY more that the legal amount

ummm….hemp is the fibers inside the stalk of the marijuana plant so whose confused? there is an industrial grade plant called hemp but it was bred from the marijuana plant bc the high scares people. they wanted the fiber without the high so they bred the thc out of the plant

THE REAL GATEWAY DRUG IS ALCOHOL ask a few people today what the very first thing they ever tried and i bet 75% of people say alcohol not weed

And YES alcohol is a DRUG its addictive and its the only drug that you can die from withdraw

You must have smoked when typing this because your spelling is horrible. Yikes! No on Prop 19!

Marijuana IS LEGAL in California for any one who has a brain!!! Does it really need to be more accessible to our children then it already is!!! If you are having a hard time getting your pot call me and I’ll give you 50 peoples #’s where you can get it.

Does everyone not remember that they legalized marijuana in Mendocino County and the voters repealed it two years later because crime skyrocketed and you couldn’t drive down a street in any town without it reeking of pot!!! You’re talking about one of the most liberal counties in the country repelling the law because it’s not good to have it everywhere!!!

They legalized it in Alaska for people over 21 and TEEN use went up by 50%!!!

As far as our prison’s being overcrowded by people for marijuana crimes… Last time I checked there weren’t any people in prison for under an ounce of marijuana!!! The majority of people that get arrested for marijuana crimes are either under 21 or people with over an ounce, which will still be illegal if prop 19 passes!

If it is legalized the Mexican Cartels (although most weed comes from small time growers) will just move to California and grow all there weed here to ship to the rest of the USA since 80% of the marijuana grown in California goes out of state!

Do you all realize that this bill is backed by a small group of business men who want to be the WALMART growers of Marijuana and it is all about them $making money$! They don’t care about the small time grower or smoker and marijuana will actually be more illegal under the new law.

I am so surprised that my fellow marijuana supporters would be so stupid and vote yes for a bill that is written so badly and all about a small group of people getting all the MONEY$$$!

I haven’t even touched on the fact that it will CRIPPLE northern California’s economy and property values will plummet even farther if marijuana becomes legal and cheap. Sure lets have 5 guys get 12 BILLION in profits instead of 300,000 average middle class Americans.

So if you’re for it, really before it and make it completely legal… NO LIMITS on what you can poses or grow!

If you are smart and especially if you enjoy good marijuana VOTE NO ON 19!!!

Marijuana IS LEGAL in California for any one who has a brain!!! Does it really need to be more accessible to our children then it already is!!! If you are having a hard time getting your pot call me and I’ll give you 50 peoples #’s where you can get it.

Does everyone not remember that they legalized marijuana in Mendocino County and the voters repealed it two years later because crime skyrocketed and you couldn’t drive down a street in any town without it reeking of pot!!! You’re talking about one of the most liberal counties in the country repelling the law because it’s not good to have it everywhere!!!

They legalized it in Alaska for people over 21 and TEEN use went up by 50%!!!

As far as our prison’s being overcrowded by people for marijuana crimes… Last time I checked there weren’t any people in prison for under an ounce of marijuana!!! The majority of people that get arrested for marijuana crimes are either under 21 or people with over an ounce, which will still be illegal if prop 19 passes!

If it is legalized the Mexican Cartels (although most weed comes from small time growers) will just move to California and grow all there weed here to ship to the rest of the USA since 80% of the marijuana grown in California goes out of state!

Do you all realize that this bill is backed by a small group of business men who want to be the WALMART growers of Marijuana and it is all about them $making money$! They don’t care about the small time grower or smoker and marijuana will actually be more illegal under the new law.

I am so surprised that my fellow marijuana supporters would be so stupid and vote yes for a bill that is written so badly and all about a small group of people getting all the MONEY$$$!

I haven’t even touched on the fact that it will CRIPPLE northern California’s economy and property values will plummet even farther if marijuana becomes legal and cheap. Sure lets have 5 guys get 12 BILLION in profits instead of 300,000 average middle class Americans.

So if you’re for it, really before it and make it completely legal… NO LIMITS on what you can poses or grow!

If you are smart and especially if you enjoy good marijuana VOTE NO ON 19!!!

Marijuana IS LEGAL in California for any one who has a brain!!! Does it really need to be more accessible to our children then it already is!!! If you are having a hard time getting your pot call me and I’ll give you 50 peoples #’s where you can get it.

Does everyone not remember that they legalized marijuana in Mendocino County and the voters repealed it two years later because crime skyrocketed and you couldn’t drive down a street in any town without it reeking of pot!!! You’re talking about one of the most liberal counties in the country repelling the law because it’s not good to have it everywhere!!!

They legalized it in Alaska for people over 21 and TEEN use went up by 50%!!!

As far as our prison’s being overcrowded by people for marijuana crimes… Last time I checked there weren’t any people in prison for under an ounce of marijuana!!! The majority of people that get arrested for marijuana crimes are either under 21 or people with over an ounce, which will still be illegal if prop 19 passes!

If it is legalized the Mexican Cartels (although most weed comes from small time growers) will just move to California and grow all there weed here to ship to the rest of the USA since 80% of the marijuana grown in California goes out of state!

Do you all realize that this bill is backed by a small group of business men who want to be the WALMART growers of Marijuana and it is all about them $making money$! They don’t care about the small time grower or smoker and marijuana will actually be more illegal under the new law.

I am so surprised that my fellow marijuana supporters would be so stupid and vote yes for a bill that is written so badly and all about a small group of people getting all the MONEY$$$!

I haven’t even touched on the fact that it will CRIPPLE northern California’s economy and property values will plummet even farther if marijuana becomes legal and cheap. Sure lets have 5 guys get 12 BILLION in profits instead of 300,000 average middle class Americans.

So if you’re for it, really before it and make it completely legal… NO LIMITS on what you can poses or grow!

If you are smart and especially if you enjoy good marijuana VOTE NO ON 19!!!

Isn’t it funny how proposition 19 isn’t in the top 10 searches on Yahoo, yet when you so much as type in propos… it pulls up proposition 19. Good job censoring the truth, the response of people exiting the polls is still overwhelmingly YES on 19. THIS is the biggest news in the country, and people all over the world are talking about it. It’s alright, we all know who keeps you paid and quiet. Today, history is made. Humanity is evolving, finally.

Isn’t it funny how proposition 19 isn’t in the top 10 searches on Yahoo, yet when you so much as type in propos… it pulls up proposition 19. Good job censoring the truth, the response of people exiting the polls is still overwhelmingly YES on 19. THIS is the biggest news in the country, and people all over the world are talking about it. It’s alright, we all know who keeps you paid and quiet. Today, history is made. Humanity is evolving, finally.

You are exactly right when you say this bill is all about making money and for just a small group of people$$$ Share the wealth & Save California!

Vote No on 19!!!

right. I guess Obama has a low paying job.

right. I guess Obama has a low paying job.

Sorry Bean… but thats incorrect. Read the entire bill. Not just the summarized version. You are only allowed to posses 1 ounce. Thats one ounce period. It doesnt matter whether its inside of your home or outside of your home, your only allowed to posses 1 ounce, period. Im not sure where everyone is getting this public thing, but no where in the bill does it mention 1 ounce in public. It says you can only posses 1 ounce.

The bill doesnt say that your allowed to have as much weed as you can grow in a 5×5 foot area… it says that a 25 square foot area is all that you are legally allowed to use to grow. No more then that. Now if you produce 2 ounces from that area, you need to hurry up and get rid of that extra ounce, because while your in possession of that extra ounce, your in violation of the law set by Prop 19.

And the other thing you mentioned….. Thermal imaging shows images of heat. Its not Xray vision. Thermal imaging can not see through walls or roofs. What thermal imaging picks up on are exhaust vents coming out of the sides of houses that are hotter than the average dryer exhaust vent. There is no way to tell how many plants a person is growing by simple thermal imaging. They can get an idea from it. The more heat coming out of the vent.. they will assume the more lights you have running.

So as you said… No pun intended, but people really need to use their heads here. But then again… I guess people are, because the votes so far are showing this as a “no go”, which is the way it should be, based on how this crazy bill is written.

The Bean… You must have skipped everything that I have written here. So I’ll break it down for you, once again. And again… I dont mean to be rude, but this is a bit frustrating.

Prop 19 gives you 25 square feet to grow and you can only posses 1 ounce of dried, smoke-able cannabis. So lets figure this out here….. I can break it all the way down and write a novel on how to grow, but I wont go into that much detail.

In order for a cannabis plant to produce flowers/buds, it needs no more then 12 hours of daylight per day, without any light interruptions, from street lights, patio lights or what have you. In nature, this light cycle only happens once per year. So you can grow your 1 ounce allotted to you, that 1 time per year… Then you would be forced to go out and buy it for the remainder of the year. So that kinda cancels out growing outdoors, now doesn’t it??

Your next option is growing indoors. To fill a 25 square foot space, your going to need about a 600 watt Metal Halide light, which will run you a good $300 for the light hood and ballast. Then for the flowering period, your going to need another light, called a HPS. You can get a switchable ballast that will convert between the 2 different spectrums for about $350. Plus you will need 2 sperate bulbs, which run about $100 each. You’ll probably end up needing a vent fan to exhaust the heat that these lights produce. A 6 inch vent fan will run you about $120. So we’re looking at about $670 so far, just on equipment. Now with this little setup, that I didnt even include the cost of growing medium and nutrients into, is going to take you 3 months to grow. Usually 1 month in the vegative stage for general growth and 2 months flowering. So this only allows you to get 1 harvest every 3 months. And lets not forget that the harvest can be no more then 1 ounce. So you better hope that 1 ounce will last you 3 month until your next crop is done…. Otherwise your butt is going to be running to the store to buy some high priced, low grade, commercially grown Marijuana. I dont know about you, but 1 ounce wont last me 3 months.

So if that’s what you want…. I sure hope you dont live in the same state as I do.

Sorry Bean… but your not making any points. Lee95301 only said.. Think about how dangerous it will be when combined with alcohol. Have you ever had a light buzz from drinking a few beers and then smoked a joint?? Your high and drunkenness shoot through the roof. Lee made a very good point there. He didnt say that one was better then the other, he simply said, imagine the 2 together. And thats what people will do. They’ll mix them. I do it myself, but fortunately Im a responsible person, that will only do something like that while at home, the kids at their grandparents house, and with me not driving anywhere. Unfortunately, not everyone is like me.

Then you mentioned all of the money spent on prohibiting the use of Marijuana… Well imagine all of the money that will be spent making sure that people only grow in the 5×5 foot area given. Making sure that people only have 1 ounce on them. Making sure that children are not present while weed is consumed. There’s almost 60 pages of new laws that prop 19 brings about. You dont think those are going to get broken?? We’ll end up paying more money in law enforcement just trying to regulate this crap, then what we would on a pure ban. Plus a law just passed that makes possession of under an ounce only an infraction, punishable by a $100 fine. Thats it, thats all.

Marijuana needs to be decriminalized. Not legalized. Legalization bring about new laws, that people can and will break and still end up going to jail for this awesome plant. Decriminalization, just takes the punishments away from it. So it still may be frowned upon, and unexceptionable in society, but no one will go to jail over it. Thats how it should be.

Nick… Im glad that you questioned me. Your the first, and that shows you have some brains. Here are your answers… and you may have read a page or two, but you havent read the entire proposition. Its almost 60 pages long.

Here’s where I got the $5,000 for a growers permit: Page 4.

Section 26020. (a) The department shall license commercial cultivators
of marijuana. The fee for the license shall be set at an amount that
will reasonably cover the costs of assuring compliance with the
regulations to be issued, but may not exceed five thousand dollars
($5,000) for an initial application, or two thousand five hundred
dollars ($2,500) per year for each annual renewal.

You questioned the fees and taxes that I listed. My city has a 8.75% tax rate. So if you buy an ounce for $300, the tax on that would amount to $26.50. Plus the $50 that Prop 19 adds, which I will paste below.

Chapter 4.
Disposition of Proceeds and Adjustment of the Fee
34031. Any amount required to be paid to the state under this
part shall be paid to the board in the form of a remittance payable
to the State Board of Equalization. The board shall transmit the
payments to the Treasurer to be deposited in the Drug Abuse
Prevention Supplemental Funding Account, which is hereby created
in the General Fund. Upon appropriation by the Legislature, the
moneys in the fund shall be expended exclusively for drug
education, awareness, and rehabilitation programs under the
jurisdiction of the State Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs,
or any successor to that agency.
34032. The fee imposed pursuant to Chapter 2 shall be annually
reviewed by the State Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs,
or any successor to that agency, to determine whether a fee less
than that specified in Chapter 2 will provide sufficient resources
to support its drug education, awareness, and rehabilitation
programs. Based on this annual review, the State Department of
Alcohol and Drug Programs shall adjust that fee to an amount not
to exceed fifty dollars ($50) per ounce (avoirdupois) of marijuana
that is necessary to fund its drug education, awareness, and
rehabilitation programs, and that amount shall be collected in place
of the fee specified in Chapter 2.
SEC. 34.

You must have read the short version that everyone else is ready. Try to find the long version, thats filled with the lawyer mumbo-jumbo and see if you still support it after reading all of the fine print.

Bean…. your trying to argue anything now. Things that shouldn’t even need to be brought up for clarification.

Hemp is the fiber from the cannabis plants stock. It is not referred to as Mary Jane, nor will it get you high. The statements above stated that these plants where made from “Mary Jane”. Mary Jane… in case you didnt know, are the buds from the cannabis plant. You know…. the stuff that gets you high?? No flags have ever been made out of the buds of the cannabis plant. They’ve been made from the fibers of the stock, which is called Hemp. Not Mary Jane.

I’ve been in this industry for over 10 years. Please dont try to downsize my knowledge. You’ve once again made yourself look like a fool, along with your thermal imaging theory you wrote above.

Damn… Finally someone in here with some brains. Your 100% correct Shermin8tor.

Damn… Finally someone in here with some brains. Your 100% correct Shermin8tor.

jdmeara…. Well… it looks like the polls weren’t too far off. Maybe they too realized that not many people have land lines anymore and went about gathering their information in other ways…. because that shit got DENIED!!!! lol. Way to go on being optimistic though. : )