“outstanding moral character”??? First I heard of this. This bill includes illegal criminals from 12 to 35! It’s not about students, especially if this passes eventually, it is amnesty and it will create a chain of illegal criminals flooding the American job market and sapping our social resources meant for Americans.

Sorry two illegal actions do not make it right. What the heck are illegals doing in our schools anyway? I’m paying thousands and thousands for my kids to be in college and I want them to have a job once they graduate? I would think citizens should always come first. Come on November!!!Any pathetic politician who wants to extend citizenship to a criminal is not getting my vote.

These ” smart and talented [illegal] immigrants in American universities” have already garnered a free public education at great expense to legal American citizens. Let them use their talents to enrich the native homelands where they do enjoy legal citizenship.

Rewarding illegal aliens whose parents violated USA immigration law will encourage millions of additional poor, uneducated, sick people to illegally cross our borders, as occurred after the 1986 Amnesty, and will increase already severe US population pressures.

These ” smart and talented [illegal] immigrants in American universities” have already garnered a free public education at great expense to legal American citizens. Let them use their talents to enrich the native homelands where they do enjoy legal citizenship.

Rewarding illegal aliens whose parents violated USA immigration law will encourage millions of additional poor, uneducated, sick people to illegally cross our borders, as occurred after the 1986 Amnesty, and will increase already severe US population pressures.

Criminals??? Exactly, what is your skewed definition of a crime?? Wanting to get an education in order to pursue a profession? I, unfortunately, had the misfortune of being brought here illegally, through no choice of my own, by my idiotic parents. I am one of the most intelligent people I know among citizens AND “criminals” alike and have more drive and ambition than most of the people that were privileged enough to be born in this great country. I am also paying thousands of dollars, A LOT more than you’ll ever pay, to obtain an education so I can have my dream profession. I don’t see many citizens applying at schools for my obscure profession, so I am more than sure that I am not stealing anything from anybody. It’s such a shame that people like you have this distorted misconception of immigrants. May you and your children never have to go to another country and be shunned from it simply because of your national origin.
P.S. Question marks (?) are used when posing a question, hence their name. Clearly, you didn’t make very good use of this country’s free education.

Criminals??? Exactly, what is your skewed definition of a crime?? Wanting to get an education in order to pursue a profession? I, unfortunately, had the misfortune of being brought here illegally, through no choice of my own, by my idiotic parents. I am one of the most intelligent people I know among citizens AND “criminals” alike and have more drive and ambition than most of the people that were privileged enough to be born in this great country. I am also paying thousands of dollars, A LOT more than you’ll ever pay, to obtain an education so I can have my dream profession. I don’t see many citizens applying at schools for my obscure profession, so I am more than sure that I am not stealing anything from anybody. It’s such a shame that people like you have this distorted misconception of immigrants. May you and your children never have to go to another country and be shunned from it simply because of your national origin.
P.S. Question marks (?) are used when posing a question, hence their name. Clearly, you didn’t make very good use of this country’s free education.

It’s plain unbelievable to think that people in america have such negative views on something of this nature. I can’t stand people speaking of this subject while having no knowledge of what is happening. JayG, Criminals, REALLY??? Unless you live in a shack outside of society, I can guarantee you that your children have friends that are being affected by this Dream Act. Put yourself in their shoes for a second…. Being brought in at age 10 (sometimes even earlier), spending your life indulging in the “American Way” while having no recollection of your native country. You finally get to graduate highschool (possibly top of your class) and then find out that you have no way of attending college and have a possibility of not being able to give back to the country that has seen you grow for the past 10-15 years. And to top things off, BE CALLED A CRIMINAL??? I’m sure you would accept such treatment by the ones you have learned to see as your neighbors?? Really people…. Our country has come to forget what it once stood for. Listen to the arguments, “sapping our social resources meant for americans”….We are so focused on greed and HAVING, but not GIVING. Where has “in god we trust” gone? I sure hope that this doesn’t one day turn around and become something you have to deal with.

For your information,non-citizens do not qualify for financial aid. Secondly, this is their native homeland that your rapist, thieving ancestors stole from their ancestors. This bill is to help those that are already here….get informed.

What some of the uneducated mass choose to ignore is that once immigrants gain their citizenship, they will be responsible for their lives. For example, a favorite republican argument is that giving citizenship will cost tax payer money. Weird. I thought citizens pay taxes. So that is not a problem, since immigrants will easily boost the economy, instead of leeching it. Also, people spend thousands of dollars to help 3rd world people (a great cause btw), and yet they ignore those that suffer in their own nackyard. We might aa well cross out “under God” if we’re not gonna show it.

Wow you just stated everything i wanted to say…I understand where you’re coming from since i am in the same situation. . .people are so ignorant if they only knew, You seem very educated not like some people who act like they know what they’re talking about. I laugh at them because they think they are better than us. The people who are against the Act are just afraid of change but they don’t realize its Great Change!

Thank you very much, a lot of “Americans” are not taking advantage of their free education, while us “criminals”, have to work to pay for school and yes we also PAY TAXES. I honestly do not know whether to feel mad or sad when fellow classmates throw away all the opportunities handed down to them.
Oh and Craigmm I tutor students who can not write properly as yourself, and probably your kids, who most likely, are spending your money in other things besides their education.
For those, who say we take away “your” jobs, I would gladly give you my job, in order for me to get a free a education and put all the necessary time, that my job is taking away, don’t get me wrong, I still have really good grades, better than what any of your lazy kids are getting.

People bring their families to this country so that they can have a better future. Yes, they did enter this country illegally, but one would do anything for their kids. We are no one to judge. They are not criminals. If someone is brought here at the age of 5, but and live here their entire lives being Americans but when it’s time to apply to colleges they realize they won’t get to continue into college because of their status is heart breaking. They grow up with their friends and will watch them go off to college while they are forced to work in a low paying job to support their families. We need to break this cycle! There are brilliant minds among those kids. They can hold the keys to a better future for all of us, but thy are blocked and told no. They are Americans. This country for many of them is the only place they know. It’s disgusting to hear ignorant people speak about our youth this way. Put yourselves in their shoes. Ask yourself, what would you do for your own kids. Wouldn’t you do your best to give your children a better future? Come on America! It’s all about moving forward, so if we live in the most powerful country in the world then why aren’t we doing this injustice to ourselves. Yes ourselves because we are all one, and our youth is our future. Vote DREAM, because voting DREAM is voting for security in your own future. We used to accept everyone with open arms, so why what happened now? Something to think about.

Oh and about the “freeloader” thing. Did you know that there are illegal immigrants who fully paid for homes and cars and they pay taxes for those and they also have small businesses from which they pay taxes for too. They can’t receive Tax returns like you do so all they do is give, but can’t rake back. You’re the ones who are freeloading on them. Your kids are getting money they don’t deserve. Money that other kids can use to attend college. Kids who can actually contribute to society. Know what you’re talking about before talking trash.

What is going on? America has been segregating since the beginning: salem witch trials, civil rights movement, slavery, woman sufferage, and this- illegal immigration especially geared towards Hispanics always trying to label them as Mexicans.
I have a friend that graduated on top of her class had a full ride to college but cant go to a University because she is illegal. She has been here in the US since she was two. Now is that fair? I dont think so. There are others that have the chance to go to college and waste it on frat parties and drinking not caring whatsoever.
Going to school is an honor you should value!!

It’s really unbelievable the way Americans think. It’s a shame that people now and days think that way. Immigrants are not criminals. Wanting an education does not make a person a criminal. Sure they came to the US illegally but what the hell everybody did too at one point or did you forget that the first people here were the Indians. That have to pass this Act may students without documentation are having a really hard time keeping up with their studies. People that oppose this act should really try to live like us immigrants do. See how they like not being able to get a job, get scholarships for schools have the government help you out with some money it’s a pain. Seriously Americans have to get their act straight and stop with all the racial acts and injustice.

Those students who showed outstanding moral character would have the ability to get permanent conditional residency in the United States.

You have no idea of what you are saying…. Dream act is not for just any illegal immigrant or “criminals”. The dream act is for students who came to the US when they were 15 years old and countinued school. Ignorant!!!

It’s really unbelievable the way Americans think.

hello, i am a man of 22 years, i have been living here in the U.S. for 20 years. i have never known any other country but to U.S. and i consider this to be my home, unfortunately many poeple would not agree with me. I wasn’t top of my class but i graduated highschool and now i currently attend san bernardino valley college (it’s a community college because i am unable to afford anything else). no i am not a legal resident nor citizen yet the this great country that i consider to be my home allows me to attend. i don’t get financial aid and i don’t have any scholarships ( i am unable to get any such help, i’ve tried). luckily my father was admitted as a working resident not long ago and he helps pay for my schooling (actually pays for all of it). The dream act would have been a great help to me but now i won’t get the chance to advance nor follow my dreams. This may sound like bull shit to some of you but this is my life, this is what i have to live with day by day. i have thought of going back to my native country but most everyone that i am related to lives here in the U.S. What do i have to go back to? poverty, starvation? i wish i could at least walk into the store and buy a pack of cigarettes but even then i have to rely on others to purchase them for me. i terrified of the police because i live with the fear that i can get deported at any time. i haven’t done anything wrong, the only t hing i have ever had a ticket for was for driving without a license. I went to court and i had to pay over 600 dollers because i am unable to get a license. 20 years people, 20 fucking years, sometimes i get so frustrated that i start to cry, i can’t do anything, what fault do i have that i was brought here at around 2 years old and that i have no life what so ever! it’s verry simple to judge and point fingers when you understand nothing of me or where i come from. I am a grown man living with my parents still, do you not find that embarrassing? Why does this great nation allow me to attend college, takes my money, BUT WON’T ALLOW ME TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE EDUCATION THAT I’VE PURCHASED?! community college in california is dirt cheap, i pay about 600 dollers a semesster for two classes, and bit by bit, i will achieve my goal. It’s as if the government won’t accept my existance but is glad to take my money. look it up, an illegal immigrant can go to college if they sign the AB 540 form but they are not allowed to recieve financial aid nor recieve scollerships (some may receive scollerships, but those are rare cases and I could count them on one hand). I sometimes go into deep depression because i feel as if i don’t exist, what am i to do after college? Why let me in, take my money and then not allow me to do a thing with my education? but i guess i don’t deserve to live as a human being because i’m a criminal, when people born and raised here who have opportunities let them go to waste and do nothing to better themselves. my father works 7 days a week, seven fucking days! He rest maybe one sunday out of two months, i dare you to call that a criminal! a man who is putting his son through college by himself and yet we are viewed as criminals. i don’t know what else to say; i think i will end my rant here. go ahead and point your fingers at me and call me what you will but i am succeding in this world with no help, and the ones who can get help choose not to go to school and go do drugs and then complain about how hard they have it. please, i would love for any of you american born people to come and live a day in my life and then see if you would call yourself unfortunate. the only thing i was asking for was a some help for me to better myself and be given the chance to help others, but i guess my money taken from me can only get me so far. i don’t resent anyone but i also feel like i am treated like scum of society for no reason. thanx for listening to me and wish this gave some of you who are struggling some bit of hope, legal or not. keep trying never give up and don’t let anyone label you nor tell you how far you can go.

i should have spell checked my spelling. hahaha. I hope most of you get the messege though, lol.

Go home spics. I don’t want to pay for your bastard children’s education, healthcare, food, diapers, etc. Swim back across the river to where you belong.

lkj

Wow, Your ignorance is unbelievable.

Let’s get down to the brass tacks of the Dream Act which is NOT explained in its entirety. If the American public knew what it entails what would be the outcome:

A. The DREAM Act Is NOT Limited to Children, And It Will Be Funded On the Backs Of Hard Working, Law-Abiding Americans

Proponents of the DREAM Act frequently claim the bill offers relief only to illegal alien “kids.” Incredibly, previous versions of the DREAM Act had no age limit at all, so illegal aliens of any age who satisfied the Act’s requirements—not just children—could obtain lawful permanent resident (LPR) status. In response to this criticism, S.3827 includes a requirement that aliens be under the age of 35 on the date of enactment to be eligible for LPR status. Even with this cap, many aliens would be at least 41 years old before obtaining full LPR status under the Act—hardly the “kids” the Act’s advocates keep talking about.

The DREAM Act requires that DHS/USCIS process all DREAM Act applications (applications that would require complex, multi-step adjudication) without being able to increase fees to handle processing. This mandate would require either additional Congressional appropriations, or for USCIS, a primarily fee-funded agency, to raise fees on other types of immigration benefit applications. This would unfairly spread the cost of administering the DREAM Act legalization program among applicants and petitioners who have abided by U.S. laws and force taxpayers to pay for amnesty. Taxpayers would also be on the hook for all Federal benefits the DREAM Act seeks to offer illegal aliens, including student loans and grants.

B. The DREAM Act PROVIDES SAFE HARBOR FOR ANY ALIEN, Including Criminals, From Being Removed or Deported If They Simply Submit An Application

Although DREAM Act proponents claim it will benefit only those who meet certain age, presence, and educational requirements, amazingly the Act protects ANY alien who simply submits an application for status no matter how frivolous. The bill forbids the Secretary of Homeland Security from removing “any alien who has a pending application for conditional status” under the DREAM Act—regardless of age or criminal record—providing a safe harbor for all illegal aliens. This loophole will open the floodgates for applications that could stay pending for many years or be litigated as a delay tactic to prevent the illegal aliens’ removal from the United States. The provision will further erode any chances of ending the rampant illegality and fraud in the existing system.

C. Certain Criminal Aliens Will Be Eligible For Amnesty Under The DREAM Act

Certain categories of criminal aliens will be eligible for the DREAM Act amnesty, including alien gang members and aliens with misdemeanor convictions, even DUIs. The DREAM Act allows illegal aliens guilty of the following offenses to be eligible for amnesty: alien absconders (aliens who failed to attend their removal proceedings), aliens who have engaged in voter fraud or unlawfully voted, aliens who have falsely claimed U.S. citizenship, aliens who have abused their student visas, and aliens who have committed marriage fraud. Additionally, illegal aliens who pose a public health risk, aliens who have been permanently barred from obtaining U.S. citizenship, and aliens who are likely to become a public charge are also eligible.

D. Estimates Suggest That At Least 2.1 Million Illegal Aliens Will Be Eligible For the DREAM Act Amnesty. In Reality, We Have No Idea How Many Illegal Aliens Will Apply

Section 4(d) of the DREAM Act waives all numerical limitations on green cards, and prohibits any numerical limitation on the number of aliens eligible for amnesty under its provisions. The Migration Policy Institute estimates that the DREAM Act will make approximately 2.1 million illegal aliens eligible for amnesty. It is highly likely that the number of illegal aliens receiving amnesty under the DREAM Act will be much higher than the estimated 2.1 million due to fraud and our inherent inability to accurately estimate the illegal alien population. Clearly, the message sent by the DREAM Act will be that if any young person can enter the country illegally, within 5 years, they will be placed on a path to citizenship.

E. Illegal Aliens Will Get In-State Tuition Benefits

The DREAM Act will allow illegal aliens to qualify for in-state tuition, even when it is not being offered to U.S. citizens and legally present aliens living just across state lines. Section 3 of the DREAM Act repeals Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1623) which prohibits giving education benefits to an unlawfully present individual unless that same benefit is offered to all U.S. citizens.

F. The DREAM Act Does Not Require That An Illegal Alien Finish Any Type of Degree (Vocational, Two-Year, or Bachelor’s Degree) As A Condition of Amnesty

DREAM Act supporters would have you believe that the bill is intended to benefit illegal immigrants who have graduated from high school and are on their way to earning college degrees. However, the bill is careful to ensure that illegal alien high school drop-outs will also be put on a pathway to citizenship – they simply have to get a GED and be admitted to “an institution of higher education,” defined by the Higher Education Act of 1965.

Under the Higher Education Act, an “institution of higher education” includes institutions that provide 2-year programs (community colleges) and any “school that provides not less than a 1-year program of training to prepare students for gainful employment” (a vocational school). Within 8 years of the initial grant of status, the alien must prove only that they finished 2 years of a bachelor’s degree program, not that they completed any program or earned any degree.

If the alien is unable to complete 2 years of college but can demonstrate that their removal would result in hardship to themselves or their U.S. citizen or LPR spouse, child, or parent, the education requirement can be waived altogether.

G. The DREAM Act does not require that an illegal alien serve in the military as a condition for amnesty, and There is ALREADY A Legal Process In Place For Illegal Aliens to Obtain U.S. Citizenship Through Military Service

DREAM Act supporters would have you believe that illegal aliens who don’t go to college will earn their citizenship through service in the U.S. Armed Forces. However, the bill does not require aliens to join the U.S. Armed Forces (the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard); instead it requires enlistment in the “uniformed services.” This means that aliens need only go to work for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or Public Health Service for 2 years to get U.S. citizenship. If the alien is unable to complete 2 years in the “uniformed services,” and can demonstrate that their removal would result in hardship to themselves or their U.S. citizen or LPR spouse, child, or parent, the military service requirement can be waived altogether. Such claims will likely engender much litigation and place a huge burden on DHS.

Furthermore, under current law (10 USC § 504), the Secretary of Defense can authorize the enlistment of illegal aliens. Once enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, under 8 USC § 1440, these illegal aliens can become naturalized citizens through expedited processing, often obtaining U.S. citizenship in six months.

H. Despite Their Current Illegal Status, DREAM Act Aliens Will Be Given All The Rights That Legal Immigrants Receive—Including The Legal Right To Sponsor Their Parents and Extended Family Members For Immigration

Under current federal law, U.S. citizens have the right to immigrate their “immediate relatives” to the U.S. without regard to numerical caps. Similarly, lawful permanent residents can immigrate their spouses and children to the U.S. as long as they retain their status. This means illegal aliens who receive amnesty under the DREAM Act will have the right to immigrate their family members—including the parents who sent for or brought them to the U.S. illegally in the first place—in unlimited numbers as soon as they become U.S. citizens (6 to 8 years after enactment) and are 21 years of age.

Additionally, amnestied aliens who become U.S. citizens will be able to petition for their adult siblings living abroad to immigrate to the U.S., further incentivizing chain migration and potentially illegal entry into the United States (for those who don’t want to wait for the petition process overseas). When an adult brother or sister receives a green card, the family (spouse and children) of the adult sibling receive green cards as well.

I. Current Illegal Aliens Will Get Federal Student Loans, Federal Work Study Programs, and Other Forms of Federal Financial Aid

Section 10 of the DREAM Act allows illegal aliens amnestied under the bill’s provisions to qualify for federal student assistance under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001 et seq.) in the form of federal student loans (Stafford Loans, Perkins Loans, Federal Direct Stafford/Ford Loans), federal work-study programs, and other federal education services such as tutoring and counseling.

J. DHS Is Prohibited From Using the Information Provided By Illegal Aliens Whose DREAM Act Amnesty Applications Are Denied To Initiate Their Removal Proceedings or Investigate or Prosecute Fraud in the Application Process

When an illegal alien’s DREAM Act amnesty application is denied, the bill states that the alien will revert to their “previous immigration status,” which is likely illegal or deportable. The bill, however, prohibits using any of the information contained in the amnesty application (name, address, length of illegal presence that the alien admits to, etc) to initiate a removal proceeding or investigate or prosecute fraud in the application process. Thus, it will be extremely hard for DHS to remove aliens who they now know are illegally present in the U.S., because illegal aliens will be able to claim that the legal action is a product of the amnesty application, and DHS will have the nearly impossible task of proving a negative.

My parents are from Germany, it took my mother 8 year’s to become a citizen, do not generalize about people and their ancestors. If the United
States gave the land back today you would still have Mexico’s government in charge. It’s not the land you want, it’s the lifestyle and the way the U.S. govern’s it’s people. I was for the Dream Act until I found out that we would have to pay for the education of these non-citizens. My son works full-time and takes a couple classes a semester he pay’s for iit himself. It would be unfair to U.S. citizens to give free education to non-citizens. I think joining the Military is a great way to become a citizen, you would also be showing your loyalty to the United Stated of America.

I don’t know your ethnicity, but unless you are Native American you probably shouldn’t be saying this as this statement would apply to anyone whose ancestors “swam” here from Europe or any other continet. The Natives are the only ones who can really say this, and yet they remain humble.

You don’t see Mexicans holding an American flag as they walk the streets of California demanding rights. You see a Mexican flag with Mexican/Brown Pride signs. Illegal immigrants only need to get in line to become citizens by passing some tests that the rest of us are required to pass by eighth grade. Their children should be given the same status as the parents, ie, illegal status, because they are here illegally. This has nothing to do with feeling sorry or not feeling sorry for anyone, it has to do with what’s legal. I dare any American to try to go to Mexico and ask for a handout. It wont happen. A lot of the people posting comments seem biased and uneducated. History teaches that the U.S. actually paid Mexico money for California. If you’d take a history class you’d know that. And for those claiming that it was America who raped the Indians and kicked them out of California, know this: The Aztecs were raped by the Spanish (Spain), enslaved, their gold stolen and this was all after the Aztecs sacrificed the majority of their population due to drought, ie, their own religion destroyed them. I have no problem with anyone wanting to have freedom by earning it like the rest of us did. And before you point the finger at me because I’m Irish, remember that my ancestors migrated here legally then built New York; they didn’t come over, have a bunch of kids and then put their hands out, while waving an Irish flag and demanding rights.

The term “Hispanic” usually refers to people who speak Spanish nowadays. However, it was intended for those from Spain. If you are Mexican, that means you were born or originate from Mexico. You imply when you say, “always trying to label them as Mexicans…” that it’s some derogatory statement when it’s not. Hispanics = from Spain. Mexicans = from Mexico. No derogatory statement there…

On another note, as sad as it is that your friend can’t get an education because she’s illegal, she has only her parents to blame for that. Had they entered the country legally, they could have provided their daughter a future. Instead, they chose to bypass legal methods and instead, robbed their daughter of her chance of success. Blame her illegal parents, not America.

Husband your an idiot . Your ancestors migrated here, in a different time and circumstances , you didnt . and excuse me ….”earning freedom …like the rest of us?” what the hell makes you so important or think that your so important that you somehow contributed to the freedom …..? are you fighting for freedom, did you do anything? you probably wen tto school graduated went to college then got a job , something that illegal immigrants can. Im not saying all of the but atleast the ones that were brought here young without a choice. Do you really think they want to live somewhere where they cant drive, vote or further their education? No, but they dont know anywhere else . If it were that easy to become legalized many would have done it during eighth grade right?

Ok. Let’s accept the fact that mexican parents are to be blame for this young people’s unlucky future. Now, the question is should we send this people back to a country they don’t even know and live them in a nowadays dangerous territory? If your answer is YES. Then Why the HELL do most americans want to fight for foreign countries in faraway lands to give freedom to millions in danger. At least we are are your neighbors. We like you. We work for you. We help your economy and even when there is people that think like you, we set you aside to say that we love America, because this is the country that raised us. Just the same way your ancestors most have experienced in the past…not so long ago. IT IS JUST THE SAME. I have a suggestion for you: Educate yourself. Take some History Class and to get rid of any selfishness, go to Church.—-No need to reply for I won’t read any answer to my post—-

First off, when you call someone an idiot, next time make sure you know how to spell “you’re.” You seem like a pretty uneducated person who responded to my logical argument based on an emotional impulse. Besides your name calling and baseless accusations as well as your excusing the bad behavior of these people by using the “we should feel sorry for them because of where they were born” argument, remember that many Mexican Americans migrated here legally by taking a test. Just because the majority can’t be bothered to read a few books and take the test, doesn’t mean we should excuse them. Just as I don’t feel sorry for those that can’t help themselves, I don’t feel sorry for your inability to use a basic spell checking application. I’m not going to debate any further with you because a quick read through of what you wrote means I’m probably arguing with someone who failed to make it to eighth grade at all. Nuff said.

America fights to free countries who are in need of it. Mexico is free last I checked. We protect you, give you welfare for your illegal children, as well as WIC, give you free education, overlook the crimes you commit on a large basis (trust me, I’ve witnessed illegal aliens get away with crimes on a daily basis in Central California, Bakersfield area). We put up with the car wrecks that kill Americans by unlicensed illegal aliens who dont bother to get a license then flee to Mexico, we put up with the drug smuggling, the way that some of your people “coyotes” smuggle human beings across the border, and sometimes into the desert and kill them. We put up with the music that plays all night long during every holiday, with minimum wage, entry level jobs being taken by spanish speaking people, as well all the other jobs that now require bilingual abilities. We put up with Mexicans sending U.S. dollars across the border into Mexico, killing our economy each time a little more. There’s no doubt we exploit you in the fields, Ive done the same work, right besides Mexicans, where you have to fill up a few bags for a few dollars. We put up with our class rooms having to go slower to teach Spanish speaking students English because they’re behind, as well as a huge overpopulation in classrooms that can no longer fit all the American students who apply because there are so many illegal aliens in the seat. At colleges we put up with all the illegal aliens’ children who apply for grants, take up all the seats, then drop the class half way through the semester, because they only came to get free grants. We put up with standing in line at the hospital or any health care facility because there are 50 illegal immigrants in line waiting to be seen. We put up with the gangs you bring over here and the wars you wage on our soil that kill innocents. We put up with all this, while still going to Tijuana and Baja and giving you more money for your failing, corrupt economy. We put up with your not believing in birth control because you’re Catholic (which was forced on you by your raping ancestors, the Spanish (Spain) and the 9-16 kids you choose to have but can never seem to keep out of crime…..we even put up with all the excuses you make for yourselves as to why you can’t stand on your own two feet.
Besides Mexican food and cheap, crappy Pot, what have you done for us?

And you still want more…..?

You claim that you were “let in”; that is not the case you entered the country illegally, thus violating our immigration laws. This is a crime and therefore you are a “criminal”. Your parents had full knowledge that they were bringing you into this country illegally and were aware that their decision would effect you. Their intention was to bring you into this country to benefit from it. As you have said; you have paid for this education, now it is time that you return to your country and use your education to make your country prosper. As for your dreams, I have two kids that have dreams of going to college and they have studied and worked hard to try to get there(and not every kid here does drugs as you have implied). I don’t need my kids to have to compete as I did when I was growing up. I grew up in the border area and had to compete with illegal aliens to work in the fields and packing sheds. Yes, I did those jobs that all these radical Hispanics claim that only “illegals” do. If want to “rant” and be mad with someone, then take it to your parents because they brought you here illegally. As for your father, I am willing to bet that he benefited from the last amnesty that we had and that is the only reason that he is here legally. Go ahead ask him; see if he didn’t apply for amnesty under IRCA of 1986 or under SAW(Seasonal Agriculture Worker) and if you are from Central America he probably benefited from TPS (Temporary Protected Status). Instead of complaining about your so-called injustice, you should be thanking this country that it provided you the opportunity to get an early education. Oh by the way, your use of the “F” word doesn’t impress anyone.

Yikes. I like how you disapprove their name calling (which I agree was unnecessary) and yet you attack their intelligence and say that they most likely failed to make it to the eighth grade.

While the previous person did make some blunders (not all of us have perfect grammar, so you must excuse us), they did bring up some valid points.

I think you are forgetting that some did have permission to enter the country for a certain amount of years. They were given the right to work and drive, but their children may have been too young to be given those chances as well. Now they are old enough to work and to want to attend college and make something of themselves and yet they cannot because they were not given the same paper work as their parents.

They do not know any other life style and what are they to do? Do you think if they would have known their fate ahead of time that they still would have wanted their parents to take them to America?

I doubt they would have… because they do not have access to all the opportunities America can offer.

To say that the children should have the same status as the parents seems a bit unfair… since the child in all honesty does not have a say in what their parents choose to do. They cannot support themselves and so they are bound to whatever decisions their parents make, would you not agree?

Also, I noticed you said, “I have no problem with anyone wanting to have freedom by earning it like the rest of us did.”

If I am being completely honest, I do not think most natural-born America students worked all that hard for their citizenship… Yes, they took a test (and I remember it being it 7th grade rather than 8th…). The test was also in their first language and they were spoon fed the questions and answers.

Let us not forget the Constitution test in High School which was so much more difficult. Now, to become a citizen do they not have to memorize 100 questions and hope that the ten they are asked to answer they can recall? I think that is a much more difficult.

One also has to remember that much time will pass before citizenship is acquired. Now, I think it is a good thing that we have such standards, but I do not think one can compare a natural-born citizen and a naturalized citizen. The natural-born citizen pretty much got lucky… He/she was born on U.S soil. I do not think they did much to earn citizenship…

Being forward, I believe there are some that do not deserve citizenship. There are so many who were basically given all these rights and do not even care.

A good amount of the population does not vote, does not work, does not want or attend school, and cannot even find the motivation to get their drivers license while others who were brought here when they were too young to realize what an awful hand they were being dealt only wish they could.

I think we cannot generalize; there are always exceptions. I am not saying we should blinding give citizenship away, but I do believe that there are a great deal of young, intelligent men and women that would love to be a part of the American work force and they deserve a chance to prove themselves worthy.

Yikes. I like how you disapprove their name calling (which I agree was unnecessary) and yet you attack their intelligence and say that they most likely failed to make it to the eighth grade.

While the previous person did make some blunders (not all of us have perfect grammar, so you must excuse us), they did bring up some valid points.

I think you are forgetting that some did have permission to enter the country for a certain amount of years. They were given the right to work and drive, but their children may have been too young to be given those chances as well. Now they are old enough to work and to want to attend college and make something of themselves and yet they cannot because they were not given the same paper work as their parents.

They do not know any other life style and what are they to do? Do you think if they would have known their fate ahead of time that they still would have wanted their parents to take them to America?

I doubt they would have… because they do not have access to all the opportunities America can offer.

To say that the children should have the same status as the parents seems a bit unfair… since the child in all honesty does not have a say in what their parents choose to do. They cannot support themselves and so they are bound to whatever decisions their parents make, would you not agree?

Also, I noticed you said, “I have no problem with anyone wanting to have freedom by earning it like the rest of us did.”

If I am being completely honest, I do not think most natural-born America students worked all that hard for their citizenship… Yes, they took a test (and I remember it being it 7th grade rather than 8th…). The test was also in their first language and they were spoon fed the questions and answers.

Let us not forget the Constitution test in High School which was so much more difficult. Now, to become a citizen do they not have to memorize 100 questions and hope that the ten they are asked to answer they can recall? I think that is a much more difficult.

One also has to remember that much time will pass before citizenship is acquired. Now, I think it is a good thing that we have such standards, but I do not think one can compare a natural-born citizen and a naturalized citizen. The natural-born citizen pretty much got lucky… He/she was born on U.S soil. I do not think they did much to earn citizenship…

Being forward, I believe there are some that do not deserve citizenship. There are so many who were basically given all these rights and do not even care.

A good amount of the population does not vote, does not work, does not want or attend school, and cannot even find the motivation to get their drivers license while others who were brought here when they were too young to realize what an awful hand they were being dealt only wish they could.

I think we cannot generalize; there are always exceptions. I am not saying we should blinding give citizenship away, but I do believe that there are a great deal of young, intelligent men and women that would love to be a part of the American work force and they deserve a chance to prove themselves worthy.

Haha you are hilarious HUSBAND…. I have a BSE and MSE and still working on my PhD in Electrical Engineering (control systems and mixed signal circuit design if you must know!)… and yes I have read 8th grade history books. Last time I check, getting a permit to this country is not as easy as taking a test, which to my standard it’s a joke. I am illegal and my wife and son are U.S. citizens (my girl with English/German/Native American descent). So as you can see, I have deep roots to this country just as many others who came here as children. I have also applied for residency already, and despite my good citizenship and moral, they keep denying my application. My only hope is the Dream Act… So don’t worry about me stealing your JOB carrying 35 pound bricks everyday for 9 dollars an hour under a 110 degree whether, you can keep it (I am tired of doing that already, such a waste of my talent). I would be better off building prosthetic legs and medical monitors at Metronics (I mean that’s only if your ass don’t want to compete with me for that job)… I can’t wait for your final judgment day where God is going to ask u 4 ur green card…

Thank GOd for our Level headed Republicans.. Why should an illegal alien ( student) be allowed Citizenship..? I applied for my wife the legal way and we had to wait over 3 years .. Message is loud and clear! Get documented legally or get out!

Amen Brother.. I agree.. If you are illegal you ought to be kicked out..period I only wish we would follow in the footsteps of the Swiss who passed a referendum stating that any Alien resident who commits a crime shall be deported back to their country of origin.. IMagine what our streets would look like.. almost like it was when I was a kid growing up hard working Irish, Italian and German immigrants who built this country… not cut our rich neighbors grass or mixed a salad.. Get REal America wake UP!!

i’m still young.. in high school, and reading all of this sucks .. America was made of people from different countries we all came together long ago.. this is the land of hope, freedom, and opportunities. I’m a legal U.S. citizen born and raised i have family in the military and great grandpas who have served. my grandma and her side of the family all came from Mexico, they we’re given citizenship though. and living life.

i never knew how severe this problem of illegal immigrants was till i found out my boyfriend was one he was so ashamed to tell me because he thought i would think of him as something less. he was brought here at 3 yrs old. grew up in L.A. and moved to Texas attended high school and his dream was to join the navy the only problem was he’s not allowed to, his younger sisters were born here so they are legal. but it’s sad he goes to collage want’s to get a job but is unable to. he has dreams but right now he cannot peruse them like the rest of his friends.. It’s sad we go out but he doesn’t have a license so he’ll ask me to drive at times since i do have one.
i’m attending a private school where opportunities are basically handed to me. i hate to see him get depressed at times.. we just try not to think about it. but it’s reality and i wish i could do something, it’s unfair he was raised here a smart A student just as i was..

True US paid Mexico for California after they killed most native Americans and expoited the GOLD that came from California, US was supposed to pay Rent for Texas but they decided to just steal it and fight for it. I do not think that you can pay with something that did not belong to you. Never the less I think California and Texas are better of with the US but dont claim things that you only heard about without doing your homework. And the Aztecs did not destroy their civilizations the Spanish did when Hernan Cortez came to America Stealing all the GOLD that the Aztecs had in return of Mirrors, maybe stupid of native to do such a thing but they faced the same thing as Native Americans from the US did when the people from New York wanted more space to live in. Dont speak of things you dont know about, its sad to see that most of the people in power are dumbasses that only know part of the history just like you proved with your post.

only illegals with out a liscence are involved in deadly accidents? you are a joke to “your” country.

omg you are hilarious, wow , are you really a husband? someone married you?

Mr. Husband, I think you’re saying stupid things coz you’re not in these people’s shoes. I’m sure you’ll beg the government like they do. Do you think America needs Irish people like you??self-centered, greedy, unkind…
Based on my own experiences, most of the smartest people I’ve worked and went to school with are not Irish people. On the other hand, most of the people who abuses drugs and suffers depressions are Irish. Do you think Irish people like you will work at gas stations, car wash, lawn, pick up your shit??? If illegal immigrants will all get deported you Irish people will all have to do all this and I bet I’ll see you in the pharmacy picking up your prescriptions.
Dream act is not just for Mexicans, pls don’t generalize.

First of all not all illegal immigrants are from Mexico. People need to be more open minded before you automatically stereotype everyone as “Mexican” or speak “Mexican”. There is no such thing, and you call yourself educated. There is no such thing as American, if you think about it Mr. Educated, everything in South America, Central America and North America are considered Americans. But the U.S. has made it seem like you guys are superior and own that word. My second point is that people who are not in the shoes of those who suffer, don’t know how its like. Majority of them are bias and could careless because it doesn’t affect them, so in my viewpoint of you, your being a bias ignorant person. You think about all the people who come to the states illegally is because where they are from is oppressed and majority of the people are poor and trying to make a better living by coming here. And if you wanna talk about illegal immigration, everyone but the Native Americans are technically the real owners of this land, but the Europeans could careless and made this country, which I’m fine with, but I’m not ok with people going by what you learn in the State public schools. If you want to be educated to some research that is from other viewpoints that are not associated with any sort of influence from the U.S viewpoint. If you think I’m being bias, I don’t care, but at one time I use to think like a very typical U.S. Citizen, but then I had the chance to study in Germany one year and it truly changed my views and how the U.S. is very one minded and truly think their superior. Just a word advise don’t say crap that you don’t know unless you have taken those tests and know what TRUE SUFFRAGE AND OPPRESSION is, because I’m sure you have probably never experienced one drop of the suffrage from third world developing countries.

I have no idea why anyone would be against hardworking, honest, motivated people becoming citizens. I haved watch my son’s best freind return to Mexico after living in the states since he was 2 years old. This young man got thru 2 years of College and was a 3.9 with tremendous character and talents. We need more people like this young man and less of the hateful narrow minded underachiever’s whose views are largely expressed on this blog. We are all immigrants in this country so it is a little puzzling to me that we have such intense opposition to the Dream Act.

Wow!!Wow! Antonette, you really need to get informed before you state a comment..I have been in the U.S for 16 years..ever since high school I have tried to join the Marines since I was 16 years old..”to prove my loyalty to this country”, they have always denied me because of my legal status, I even tried a lawyer this year at 24 years old and they denied me again, so excuse my language but how the F*** are we suppose to show our loyalty!! I really hope your kids join the Army or the Marines in the near future..I am sick of people talking out their ass with out knowing what really goes on!!

U too William “Carmelo Cruisando”, don’t kno wat da hell u are talkin about..Look up your damn name and origin, it is an immigrant name and last name if it is true that is your real name or your fake one!!

The thing is about people is no matter what your heritage or background is we all can be fall into generalizing about others that we dont know or understand. I am from a family that has been “American for 200 plus years and I have some relatives that are not very productive citizens. I guess we should ship all people with a Dutch Heritage back to Holland based on your rant. I find it humorous that you are so narrow and hateful.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS YOUR HOME, OPEN YOUR EYES, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG HOUSE, BY THE WAY, 20 YRS AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO WRITE ???? C’MON GO BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG

Rebecca,

The military is quite willing to take illegals. Check out the subject online. I oppose this not out of lack of respect for anyone willing to serve the U.S. but because I don’t want the U.S. to go to war unless we are willing to sacrifice our own sons and daughters.

Nonetheless.

Illegals who serve and are honorably discharged gain legal status.

I completely understand you, Geo. I am almost in the exact same situation as you. And I refuse to give up, we shall keep fighting, until we finally get a big step forward in our long desired dreams.

while you’re sitting there acting foolish, you should be trying to make yourself a productive citizen instead of being so proud of being irish,, you could actualy be a better american and admit that the students, the ones that work hard for what they have and truly deserve a chance, they are our future.. you sound selfish and self centered.. if immigrants are trying to take advantege of the dream act is not just for their benefit.. its for america, the only place they know and call home! sooo allow the students who trully fill in the requirements give back to our country!!! SUPPORT THE DREAM ACT!!!!

Thats right!! they should have never let mr. husband in america.. this is the home of the brave.. while he sounds afraid of immigrants.. who he once was… become a productive part of america.. while he insults the inocent children of those who want a better future for them.. he could simply keep those comments to himself.. the children are our future and as well as the ones who are immigants in america.. being gratefull for public schools and ready to make their dreams come true… willing to give back all that theyve recieved!

its wonderfull to call this home, but one day getting kicked out just because your neighboor doesnt see you that way..its the everyday struggle.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR IMMIGRANTS TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER.. WE ARE ALLREADY SEEN THAT WAY!!! ALL WE NEED IS TO ALLOW THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE ALLREADY COME THIS FAR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCESS!!! if sooo many americans cannot be forced to take advantage of the great opportunities they were given.. WHY NOT ALLOW THE IMMIGRANTS THAT THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE EVER WORKED FOR???

I want to know ALL of the specifics of this liberal sponsored act….Is this a ploy to bring in the parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and give them ALL free handouts? I think so…….Shove it….We dont want illegals here and especially the ones that are not 100% self sufficient……In my DREAMS I smelled a BIG FN RAT………..If you cannot support yourself fully, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM YOU ASSHOLES. WE DO NOT NEED YOU!!!!!!

Okay I am hurt, sad and depressed when I read people talking cr** on here. Even if they allow bad people to become legal, they can always lock them away or better yet have it where if you do a criminal act then your no longer legal but if you stay clean then you always can keep your legal status. It is simple as that, we have legals here who are doing way worse then just crossing a border and its like why don’t you throw them out! I swear people are ignorant, I can see if your complaining about a bad illegal but if a illegal immigrant crosses the border and does nothing wrong while living in the U.S. then I say leave them alone, let them become legal so they have opportunity as Americans do, we are spoiled America. Cause anyone who is good, willing to work hard and respects everything/everybody around them, whats the harm? I am an American who was born here and I believe in higher power and I feel this land is nobody’s but the man above, we have no right to say who deserves this and who deserves that but to share and love/respect one another. Get over it America! This is just pure evil the hate we have for good immigrants who shouldn’t even be labeled that, they should be labeled humans, also I swear I met many immigrants the good ones seem to be sweet and sensitive. I met some bad ones but that doesn’t mean we should all treat them as one whole. Why does it feel this situation is the same as black history? Its messed up! Enough Said!

Okay I am hurt, sad and depressed when I read people talking cr** on here. Even if they allow bad people to become legal, they can always lock them away or better yet have it where if you do a criminal act then your no longer legal but if you stay clean then you always can keep your legal status. It is simple as that, we have legals here who are doing way worse then just crossing a border and its like why don’t you throw them out! I swear people are ignorant, I can see if your complaining about a bad illegal but if a illegal immigrant crosses the border and does nothing wrong while living in the U.S. then I say leave them alone, let them become legal so they have opportunity as Americans do, we are spoiled America. Cause anyone who is good, willing to work hard and respects everything/everybody around them, whats the harm? I am an American who was born here and I believe in higher power and I feel this land is nobody’s but the man above, we have no right to say who deserves this and who deserves that but to share and love/respect one another. Get over it America! This is just pure evil the hate we have for good immigrants who shouldn’t even be labeled that, they should be labeled humans, also I swear I met many immigrants the good ones seem to be sweet and sensitive. I met some bad ones but that doesn’t mean we should all treat them as one whole. Why does it feel this situation is the same as black history? Its messed up! Enough Said!

I agree. General blanket statements are dangerous and you made valid points. Cheers.

Clearly you need to reread a history book. Seriously.

How do you know the shoes I walk in? I live in a ghetto and all of my neighbors are illegal immigrants. Most of them come over all the time and tell me how they are playing the system, getting rich off it. Also, I wasn’t talking about anyone but “illegal aliens” from Mexico, which I’ve had experience with. About native americans owning the land. Native Americans don’t have a word for land ownership, because they don’t believe people can own land. It’s not a logical concept from a spiritual point of view. Perhaps you should try struggling and watch yourself get turned away from aid because most (not all) aid goes to people who abuse the system. Come to Tulare County my friend, highest teen pregnancy of the world, meth capital, etc. We’ll go to the welfare office and when you see the 60 year old women pregnant just so they can keep those benefits, you might change your tune. Not everyone is bad or abusing the system obviously. That’s illogical. However, you just have to sit and people watch, interview a few folks, and ask some questions. When those same people leave the welfare office and get into their cadillac escalades, you tell me I know nothing. Apparently, you need to walk in someone else’s shoes my friend.

Why are they denying your application? What are you doing wrong? How are you not a citizen if your “wife” is? You’d think someone working on a phd could figure out these basic questions.

They didn’t let me in to the U.S. I was born here. Btw, you read that article recently about the chinese women who paid 10k each to have babies in the U.S. so they could come back later. Probably not.

I’m self centered, greedy, and unkind because I have an opinion based on experience? You got a problem with the IRISH?

Good points. Bravo. I agree, many U.S. citizens don’t respect their country or care at all. I’m not one of them.

Never said that, learn to read.

Who said anything about shipping anyone anywhere? Oh that’s right. You did! I’m not making a generalization based on prejudice, I’m making it based on experience growing up in a predominately Hispanic state, being refused everything because of my skin color and watching as countless mexicans were inhumanely abused. The other side of the debate nobody seems to acknowledge is that without these people entering the country legally, they are subjecting themselves to mistreatment and exploitation. Also, finding hate and narrow mindedness humorous is shocking coming from someone who seems to care so much. Btw, I don’t hate anyone.

I know, I should be a comedian. I know how to piss people off and make them laugh. Cheers!

I know, I should be a comedian. I know how to piss people off and make them laugh. Cheers!

You mean like going to college to help those who can’t help themselves. Already doing it!

Anyone who enters this country without coming in a legal way is a criminal. Look up the word in the dictionary. You might be surprised.

JOSE,

As an immigrant myself  i would like to clarify something i did NOT come to this country illegal nor did my parents. Both my parents were poor young adults who did NOT enter the US  illegally.  They worked hard and got themselves here LEGALLY. This isn’t about racism it is about breaking the law why should you be rewarded????  I like the majority of Americans struggle to make ends meet, why should anyone be rewarded for breaking the law. Any rational human being knows that what would be unfair is to educate illegals, when we have so many legal American citizens in need.